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		<title>Comment on The geometric role of symmetry breaking in gravity by Derek Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Wise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, right, you said that already.  Sorry.  

Somehow along this other &quot;X&quot; I guess you&#039;ve still got to break the tangent space of SO(4,1) into some particular copy of so(3,1) and a complement, so that the Cartan connection consists of an SO(3,1) connection plus a coframe field.   What&#039;s the &quot;symmetry breaking&quot; field in this case? 

Anyway, to really understand this, what I would still like is a &lt;i&gt;geometric&lt;/i&gt; description of how, after choosing a point to serve as the identity, any point in de Sitter space gives me an isometry of de Sitter space, and a geometric understanding of why these particular isometries form a subgroup of all of the isometries.  I suspect that a really good geometric description of this should not involve talking about the Lie algebras.  

But anyway, if you are writing stuff up about this de Sitter subgroup, and if you don&#039;t already have such a geometric description, maybe we can figure it out after I read what you&#039;ve got.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, right, you said that already.  Sorry.  </p>
<p>Somehow along this other &#8220;X&#8221; I guess you&#8217;ve still got to break the tangent space of SO(4,1) into some particular copy of so(3,1) and a complement, so that the Cartan connection consists of an SO(3,1) connection plus a coframe field.   What&#8217;s the &#8220;symmetry breaking&#8221; field in this case? </p>
<p>Anyway, to really understand this, what I would still like is a <i>geometric</i> description of how, after choosing a point to serve as the identity, any point in de Sitter space gives me an isometry of de Sitter space, and a geometric understanding of why these particular isometries form a subgroup of all of the isometries.  I suspect that a really good geometric description of this should not involve talking about the Lie algebras.  </p>
<p>But anyway, if you are writing stuff up about this de Sitter subgroup, and if you don&#8217;t already have such a geometric description, maybe we can figure it out after I read what you&#8217;ve got.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The geometric role of symmetry breaking in gravity by Garrett</title>
		<link>http://dkwise.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/the-geometric-role-of-symmetry-breaking-in-gravity/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, all correct, except it is a different X. The Lie algebra generators we exponentiate are the $latex H$ and the $latex N_\pi$, defined a few posts up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, all correct, except it is a different X. The Lie algebra generators we exponentiate are the <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H' title='H' class='latex' /> and the <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N_%5Cpi&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N_&#92;pi' title='N_&#92;pi' class='latex' />, defined a few posts up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Observer Space: new paper and ILQGS talk by Derek Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Wise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theoreticalatlas.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeffrey Morton&lt;/a&gt; just wrote a blog article about observer space.  You can read it here:

http://theoreticalatlas.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/observer-space-cartan-gr/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theoreticalatlas.net/" rel="nofollow">Jeffrey Morton</a> just wrote a blog article about observer space.  You can read it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://theoreticalatlas.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/observer-space-cartan-gr/" rel="nofollow">http://theoreticalatlas.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/observer-space-cartan-gr/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The geometric role of symmetry breaking in gravity by Derek Wise</title>
		<link>http://dkwise.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/the-geometric-role-of-symmetry-breaking-in-gravity/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Wise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, Garrett, let me see if I understand what you are saying.  The Maurer-Cartan form is a 1-form on SO(4,1), with values in the Lie algebra of SO(4,1).  If I&#039;m reading correctly into your claim, you mean that there is a subgroup X of SO(4,1) such that if I pull back the Maurer-Cartan form to X, this 1-form is a (flat, obviously) Cartan connection where the model geometry is de Sitter space SO(4,1)/SO(3,1)?  

If I were trying to guess how this &quot;X&quot; works, I might start by breaking the Lie algebra into representations of SO(3,1):

$latex \mathfrak{so}(4,1) = \mathfrak{so}(3,1) \oplus \mathfrak{p}$

and then exponentiating in the $latex \mathfrak{p}$ directions.  This will locally give a 4d submanifold of SO(4,1) that looks like de Sitter space, but it sure won&#039;t give me a subgroup, since $latex \mathfrak{p}$ isn&#039;t a subalgebra.  And also, it&#039;ll only work locally.  So, I guess you must mean something different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Garrett, let me see if I understand what you are saying.  The Maurer-Cartan form is a 1-form on SO(4,1), with values in the Lie algebra of SO(4,1).  If I&#8217;m reading correctly into your claim, you mean that there is a subgroup X of SO(4,1) such that if I pull back the Maurer-Cartan form to X, this 1-form is a (flat, obviously) Cartan connection where the model geometry is de Sitter space SO(4,1)/SO(3,1)?  </p>
<p>If I were trying to guess how this &#8220;X&#8221; works, I might start by breaking the Lie algebra into representations of SO(3,1):</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathfrak%7Bso%7D%284%2C1%29+%3D+%5Cmathfrak%7Bso%7D%283%2C1%29+%5Coplus+%5Cmathfrak%7Bp%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathfrak{so}(4,1) = &#92;mathfrak{so}(3,1) &#92;oplus &#92;mathfrak{p}' title='&#92;mathfrak{so}(4,1) = &#92;mathfrak{so}(3,1) &#92;oplus &#92;mathfrak{p}' class='latex' /></p>
<p>and then exponentiating in the <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathfrak%7Bp%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathfrak{p}' title='&#92;mathfrak{p}' class='latex' /> directions.  This will locally give a 4d submanifold of SO(4,1) that looks like de Sitter space, but it sure won&#8217;t give me a subgroup, since <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathfrak%7Bp%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathfrak{p}' title='&#92;mathfrak{p}' class='latex' /> isn&#8217;t a subalgebra.  And also, it&#8217;ll only work locally.  So, I guess you must mean something different.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The geometric role of symmetry breaking in gravity by Garrett</title>
		<link>http://dkwise.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/the-geometric-role-of-symmetry-breaking-in-gravity/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. I was thinking the Maurer-Cartan form for this subgroup would be the de Sitter spacetime frame, but it&#039;s not -- it&#039;s the de Sitter MacDowell-Mansouri connection. :)

Ah, nice paper. Hmm, I&#039;ll have to write up this de Sitter subgroup stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. I was thinking the Maurer-Cartan form for this subgroup would be the de Sitter spacetime frame, but it&#8217;s not &#8212; it&#8217;s the de Sitter MacDowell-Mansouri connection. :)</p>
<p>Ah, nice paper. Hmm, I&#8217;ll have to write up this de Sitter subgroup stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Observer Space: new paper and ILQGS talk by ubugnu</title>
		<link>http://dkwise.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/observer-space-new-paper-and-ilqgs-talk/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubugnu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally agree, more work should be done in the direction of the Erlangen program and Cartan geometry, and why not, using the language of categories. For my part I&#039;m in self-training period since I read your article on the MM theory and Cartan geometry (which I thank you by the way)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree, more work should be done in the direction of the Erlangen program and Cartan geometry, and why not, using the language of categories. For my part I&#8217;m in self-training period since I read your article on the MM theory and Cartan geometry (which I thank you by the way)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The geometric role of symmetry breaking in gravity by Derek Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Wise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yeah?  Does this mean you now have a nice geometric understanding of these nilpotent generators? 

(By the way, sorry for dropping this thread before -- just busy with &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/1210.0019&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;other things about Cartan geometry&lt;/a&gt; and I didn&#039;t have much to contribute immediately in the direction you were going.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah?  Does this mean you now have a nice geometric understanding of these nilpotent generators? </p>
<p>(By the way, sorry for dropping this thread before &#8212; just busy with <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1210.0019" rel="nofollow">other things about Cartan geometry</a> and I didn&#8217;t have much to contribute immediately in the direction you were going.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Observer Space: new paper and ILQGS talk by Derek Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Wise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks -- I&#039;m pretty excited by these ideas myself right now!  MacDowell-Mansouri gravity is the reason I first got interested in Cartan geometry.  It&#039;s a very cool way to understand spacetime geometry!  But, I think it&#039;s just scratching the surface.  Cartan geometry is a deep subject, and I think lots of it can be used to improve our understanding of gravity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8212; I&#8217;m pretty excited by these ideas myself right now!  MacDowell-Mansouri gravity is the reason I first got interested in Cartan geometry.  It&#8217;s a very cool way to understand spacetime geometry!  But, I think it&#8217;s just scratching the surface.  Cartan geometry is a deep subject, and I think lots of it can be used to improve our understanding of gravity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Observer Space: new paper and ILQGS talk by ubugnu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubugnu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 07:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I was simultaneously, though unwittingly, explaining to a dead microphone&quot; this is the price to pay when we live in an &quot;observer space&quot; ;-)

I really like this idea of &quot;observer space&quot;, this is close to what I have in mind for years, and I was also charmed by the way Cartan geometry explains MM theory, the synergy of the two is an exciting area!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was simultaneously, though unwittingly, explaining to a dead microphone&#8221; this is the price to pay when we live in an &#8220;observer space&#8221; ;-)</p>
<p>I really like this idea of &#8220;observer space&#8221;, this is close to what I have in mind for years, and I was also charmed by the way Cartan geometry explains MM theory, the synergy of the two is an exciting area!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The geometric role of symmetry breaking in gravity by Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 05:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, I figured out what&#039;s going on with the nilpotent $latex N_i$. Turns out it&#039;s a feature and not a bug.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I figured out what&#8217;s going on with the nilpotent <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N_i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N_i' title='N_i' class='latex' />. Turns out it&#8217;s a feature and not a bug.</p>
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